Forestry B/C

Re: Forestry B/C

Postby crazyfloboe on Sat May 26, 2012 2:15 pm

FueL wrote:
computergeek3 wrote:That's weird...for C division we had timed stations and trees that encompassed the whole nation

Yep, we had 7 questions per station and it was a huge time crunch. I wonder why they thought it was necessary to make different tests for B and C division.



Ya, I don't know. Though Texas trees do encompass the whole nation in a reality but we were not timed and the was about 4 questions per station hence the 28 minute finish i think there was a total of fifty questions for B
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby computergeek3 on Sat May 26, 2012 2:29 pm

crazyfloboe wrote:
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computergeek3 wrote:That's weird...for C division we had timed stations and trees that encompassed the whole nation

Yep, we had 7 questions per station and it was a huge time crunch. I wonder why they thought it was necessary to make different tests for B and C division.



Ya, I don't know. Though Texas trees do encompass the whole nation in a reality but we were not timed and the was about 4 questions per station hence the 28 minute finish i think there was a total of fifty questions for B

that's really weird...C had 140 over 20 stations with 2 minutes per station
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby crazyfloboe on Sun May 27, 2012 4:06 pm

Ya, I don't know. Though Texas trees do encompass the whole nation in a reality but we were not timed and the was about 4 questions per station hence the 28 minute finish i think there was a total of fifty questions for B[/quote]
that's really weird...C had 140 over 20 stations with 2 minutes per station[/quote]

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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby awesome90220 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:18 am

Hey what did you guys all get for the which insects commonly attack the trees( we didn't study for bugs at all :D )
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby butter side up on Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:35 pm

awesome90220 wrote:Hey what did you guys all get for the which insects commonly attack the trees( we didn't study for bugs at all :D )

Well, one of the most common ones we've seen is the emerald ash borer. I really didn't know any other ones. One of our field guides had some of them, but you had to look them up under the page for the tree they affected.
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby awesome90220 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:03 pm

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awesome90220 wrote:Hey what did you guys all get for the which insects commonly attack the trees( we didn't study for bugs at all :D )

Well, one of the most common ones we've seen is the emerald ash borer. I really didn't know any other ones. One of our field guides had some of them, but you had to look them up under the page for the tree they affected.

What field guide did you guys use? we used the general choice( audobon), and there was nothing about bugs
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby butter side up on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:05 pm

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butter side up wrote:
awesome90220 wrote:Hey what did you guys all get for the which insects commonly attack the trees( we didn't study for bugs at all :D )

Well, one of the most common ones we've seen is the emerald ash borer. I really didn't know any other ones. One of our field guides had some of them, but you had to look them up under the page for the tree they affected.

What field guide did you guys use? we used the general choice( audobon), and there was nothing about bugs

We used the Audobon as our primary, and the bug stuff was in our second field guide, which was the National Wildlife Federation one. We actually really only used the NWF for a second source for information or if we wanted alternate pictures for ID. But the NWF has a lot of ecological information.
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby awesome90220 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:25 pm

wait, was there an Audobon that was the entire US?
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby butter side up on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:44 pm

awesome90220 wrote:wait, was there an Audobon that was the entire US?

No, this was for States, so we only needed Eastern. But there were a lot of bugs on that test. Rather than do a station event, every team got their own station with a bucket of green, recently picked samples, labeled with numbers. Then the test was to ID each sample and answer a few ecology questions, and the tiebreaker was time. I actually liked that setup a lot. But there were a several bug questions on there, and on invite tests, so I knew that there were insects in the NWF. We didn't make it to nationals, so we didn't have the field guide dilemma.
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby awesome90220 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:39 am

When does the tree list come out for 2013?
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby tuftedtitmouse12 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:45 am

awesome90220 wrote:When does the tree list come out for 2013?

When the season starts up again.
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby Luo on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:47 am

Any impressions of the Division C test? The test was very rushed, but the information was relatively basic, and my partner and I expected a better placing than what we got (24th).
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby computergeek3 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:20 pm

Luo wrote:Any impressions of the Division C test? The test was very rushed, but the information was relatively basic, and my partner and I expected a better placing than what we got (24th).

I agree that the Division C test was rushed, but I feel that it did a good job covering all the bases. I also think that the supervisor could have done a better job of preserving the live samples that we got. Despite that, my partner and I are somewhat content with our place (12th).
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby CulturallyScientific on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:05 pm

butter side up wrote:
awesome90220 wrote:wait, was there an Audobon that was the entire US?

No, this was for States, so we only needed Eastern. But there were a lot of bugs on that test. Rather than do a station event, every team got their own station with a bucket of green, recently picked samples, labeled with numbers. Then the test was to ID each sample and answer a few ecology questions, and the tiebreaker was time. I actually liked that setup a lot. But there were a several bug questions on there, and on invite tests, so I knew that there were insects in the NWF. We didn't make it to nationals, so we didn't have the field guide dilemma.
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This is the first time I've heard of the bucket-of-specimens method. I find that while many of my events are station-based, I don't exactly prefer the format of a station test, so the bucket-of-specimens method actually sounds like a great setup. But wouldn't that be sort of circumventing the rules? They say that "Specimens...will be at stations" which is still technically true, but not really what a station event is meant to be like- so does it count? I would love to use that method for any other test, though.
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Re: Forestry B/C

Postby awesome90220 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:49 pm

CulturallyScientific wrote:
butter side up wrote:
awesome90220 wrote:wait, was there an Audobon that was the entire US?

No, this was for States, so we only needed Eastern. But there were a lot of bugs on that test. Rather than do a station event, every team got their own station with a bucket of green, recently picked samples, labeled with numbers. Then the test was to ID each sample and answer a few ecology questions, and the tiebreaker was time. I actually liked that setup a lot. But there were a several bug questions on there, and on invite tests, so I knew that there were insects in the NWF. We didn't make it to nationals, so we didn't have the field guide dilemma.
I wish there was a whole US Audobon- I love it for ID, but like to have a second of a different sort for different pictures and information. Sometimes looking at the exact same picture of that maple trying to decide which one it is just doesn't want to happen, so a different book with different images helps. The cool thing about NWF is it has all the images for each tree on one page, so one doesn't have to flip back and forth to berries and fall leaves. I like that. It also has information on the same page as pictures. Saves me from tabbing like eight pages with my fingers while I try and figure out what I am looking at. However, I still haven't found a good way of using it as a primary ID, the way I can with the Audobon. I guess it might just be a matter of familiarity with the layouts.


This is the first time I've heard of the bucket-of-specimens method. I find that while many of my events are station-based, I don't exactly prefer the format of a station test, so the bucket-of-specimens method actually sounds like a great setup. But wouldn't that be sort of circumventing the rules? They say that "Specimens...will be at stations" which is still technically true, but not really what a station event is meant to be like- so does it count? I would love to use that method for any other test, though.

Our tests were, at regionals, PowerPoint slides as a group, at state, a mad dash across huntingdon college (tiring), and at nationals(obviously) stations.
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