Fermi Questions Marathon

Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby you-know-who on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:10 am

A pencil has dimensions 5E-3 m x 5E-3 m x 1.5E-2 m =3.8 E-7 m^3.
The box has volume 2E3 m^3

So 2E3/3.8E-7= about E10


Estimate 16^16
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby quizbowl on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:15 am

you-know-who wrote:A pencil has dimensions 5E-3 m x 5E-3 m x 1.5E-2 m =3.8 E-7 m^3.
The box has volume 2E3 m^3

So 2E3/3.8E-7= about E10


Estimate 16^16

ok, so 16 is 2^4
so (2^4)^16 = 2^64
and 2^10=10E3
so 2^60 = ~10E18
and since 2^4 is 16, i'd say it would be somewhere about E19.

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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby DivineBbbbbeast on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:09 pm

Fermi is really simple event once you get the basics down and have the important facts memorized. Are there any challenging problems that someone wants to write for me with an actual answer?
Mine is: How many hydrogen atoms are in the Sun? (it seems really annoying but it's pretty simple)
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby alecfxl on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:35 am

DivineBbbbbeast wrote:Fermi is really simple event once you get the basics down and have the important facts memorized. Are there any challenging problems that someone wants to write for me with an actual answer?
Mine is: How many hydrogen atoms are in the Sun? (it seems really annoying but it's pretty simple)


You don't need the answer key as if you want the answer, you can just look up how close your estimations were.
From my days of Fermi, mass of sun = 2E30kg.
Assume all are H (most you can be off by is maybe 30% over so round down if you are close).
Then you have 2E33 g (1g/mol) (6E23/mol) => 57 as your answer.
You could also use the well known facts that sun's volume ~ 1E6 earth's volume, earth's mass = 6E24kg and sun's density is some fraction of earth's to find the sun's mass.

Here's a challenge: How many Helens does it take to launch enough warships to cover the entire earth with intercontinental ballistic missiles?
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby OldSpice on Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:35 pm

alecfxl wrote:Here's a challenge: How many Helens does it take to launch enough warships to cover the entire earth with intercontinental ballistic missiles?


Well this one is a little out there but after some googling (Yeah I cheated, get at me) I found that Helen "is the face that launched a thousand ships" so a milliHelen is the amount of beauty needed to launch one ship.

Then I know the surface of the earth is 5E11 square meters, and I'm guessing a ballistic missile is E1 meters long and E0 meters wide, so the area of one side of a ballistic missle is E1.
Then if I take a 1:1 ratio of missiles launched to ships launched, you get 5E10 ships, convert that to Helens, and you get 5E7, rounding up to E8.

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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby alecfxl on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:25 pm

I thought "Is this the face that launched a thousand ships?" would be fairly well-known and was actually from a test. I just added the bit about ICBMs, which I didn't word well enough. Point was each warship (launch position) would be able to cover a very large area due to the ICBM's range, which you would estimate to be thousands of miles in radius since they are intercontinental. Then, you'd divide area of earth by the effective range (all parts of the world are close enough to sea for ICBMs).

Dandruff in US. Since you didn't state human dandruff, I'll have to take some wild guesses.
3E8 humans but add animals you are up to ~1E9 effective humans' worth of dandruff. Dandruff are dead cells and there are 1E14 cells in a human body.
Scalp size is approximately (2E-1m)^2 = 4E-2. Cell size ~ (1E-5m)^2 = 1E-10. Cells/layer is then 4E8.
Assume ~2.5 layers (total guess and to make nice numbers) of dead cells shed as dandruff => 1E9 dandruff cells/being. That's 1E18 total dandruff cells or 1E4 humans.
Humans weight 70kg so 7e5 kg. I'd round down to 5 as an answer due to dandruff being dead, dried up cells.


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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby zxcvbnm on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:32 pm

E10 Ha Ha :mrgreen:

How many people play with lego star wars exactly once every decade?
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby JTMess on Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:21 pm

Please post an explanation rather than simply answering the question so people can follow your thinking.

As far as the lego star wars, I am going to assume that you mean in each decade of a person's life.

Since many kids (20%?) play with legos, but very few adults, I'll assume that 2% of adults who had star wars legos as kids still play with legos since they have kids or for other reasons.
20% of the population is ~ 1.4E9 and 2% of that number is 2.8E7.
This is the point where it comes down to almost completely guessing. I will say that 0.05% of adults who play with legos happen to exactly once per decade, giving the answer 1.4E4
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby samm547 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:47 am

Number of redwoods to absorb all CO2 emissions:

It will be difficult to estimate the amount of CO2 absorbed per tree, so I am going to try a more inventive method.

Plants are responsible for 0.25 the total C02 absorption. From a memorized list of prominent state park sizes, I know that the major redwood forest is about 1.5E5 acres ~ 4E-6 the land area of the earth, and relative to the mean, this area has 5 times the biomass, so redwoods have 2E-5 the total biomass of plants on earth and therefore CO2 absorption of all plants. I have heard a statistic that we release about 150 times the natural level of CO2, so to establish equilibrium you would need 150 times as many C02 absorbers. That gives us 150*4*5E4 = 3E7

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Estimate 100!. Suggestions: use Stirling's formula (Stirling's approximation) and memorize some base 10 logarithms. (log_10(e)~0.434)
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby hmcginny on Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:57 am

100! is 158, thats a value that I have memorized to help with ridiculous factorial questions.

25!*32!*84!*45!+120!
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby quizbowl on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:18 am

hmcginny wrote:100! is 158, thats a value that I have memorized to help with ridiculous factorial questions.

25!*32!*84!*45!+120!

Ok, just looking at that, the 120! is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the equation, so forget that part.
A good thing to know is to memorize the factorial for every multiple of ten to extrapolate info.
20! = 2.5E18 and 30! = 2.7E32, so 25! should be right around the middle, like E25 or something.
30! = 2.7E32 so 32! should be around E35
80! = 7E118 and 90!= 1E138, so 84! would be near the middle but leaning a bit towards the 80! side, I'd say around E127
40! = 8E47 and 50! = 3E64, so 45! should be smack dab in the middle, like E56.
25+35+127+56 = E243.

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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby hmcginny on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:35 am

website has been around for E1 years, i would say that each year there are around 3E4 posts, so thats 3E5 posts since the inception of the website. I would say 5 emoticons, so 5 pennys, each one being ~1 millimeter in thickness, so 5 mm high tower, or 2 m or -14 light years.

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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby samm547 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:39 pm

100!:

n! ~ sqrt(2pi*n)*n^n*e^-n) By Stirling
logn! = log(sqrt(6.5*100)+log(100^100) + log(e^-100)
= 1 + 1/2log(6.5) +100*log(100) -100loge
= 1 +0.4 +200 - 43.4 = 200 - 42 = 158

Number of e- in atlantic. Assume average depth is 4000m, atlantic covers 20% of earth, R_(+) = 6E6m, ocean is 100% water, therefore density is 1gm/cm^3

Surface area of atlantic is 4*0.2*pi*6E12 = 8E13m^2, depth of 4E3 gives volume = 2.5E17m^3. 1g/cm^3 gives mass of ocean to be 2.5E23g. mass of one mol of water is 1+1+16g = 18 g. This gives the ocean 1.3E22 mol H2O or 7E45 molecules H20, there are 10 electrons per molecule, giving 7E46.

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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby quizbowl on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:40 pm

samm547 wrote:What is the probability that a monkey given sufficient rest and food would type Hamlet on his first try, assuming he is typing randomly?

Haha, oh wow, I know this one from the top of my head! My sixth grade teacher made us try and figure it out and naive-old-me said that any old monkey could do it :lol: but in all honesty, the answer is pretty insane, something like -183,946. I really hope that nationals asks this question or something and then takes a picture of every competitor's face as they read it!

Imagine you took every single post in "Your Daily Random Comment" and copied all of the text, putting all of it into size 12 and Times New Roman. Assuming that you entered after every post and you omitted all emoticons and images, how many pounds of ink would you need to print all of it?
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Re: Fermi Questions Marathon

Postby eta150 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:13 pm

quizbowl wrote:
samm547 wrote:What is the probability that a monkey given sufficient rest and food would type Hamlet on his first try, assuming he is typing randomly?

Haha, oh wow, I know this one from the top of my head! My sixth grade teacher made us try and figure it out and naive-old-me said that any old monkey could do it :lol: but in all honesty, the answer is pretty insane, something like -183,946. I really hope that nationals asks this question or something and then takes a picture of every competitor's face as they read it!

Imagine you took every single post in "Your Daily Random Comment" and copied all of the text, putting all of it into size 12 and Times New Roman. Assuming that you entered after every post and you omitted all emoticons and images, how many pounds of ink would you need to print all of it?

Well...
There are about 3e4 words, so estimating 6 letters per word (accounting for spaces and characters), 2e5 letters. At around 6e1 possibilities per character (accounting for punctuation and capitalized letters), it would be about 1e-7.
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For the next one:
about 1e4 posts, assuming 20 words per post, 5 letters per word, we have 1e6 letters. Printed at a thickness of 1e-2 cm (maybe?), with an area of ~1 cm * 5e-2 cm, so a volume of 5e-4 cm^3 per letter, x1e6 letters gives 5e2 mL, so 5e-1 L, assuming similar (or slightly higher) density to water, 5e-1 kg, so 1e0 lb

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