Shock Value B

[blue cobra]

If they give you a circuit diagram with a bunch of different switches (let's say S1, S2, S3, and S4) and light bulbs (let's say L1, L2, and L3), and they say "If switch S1 is closed, what are the conditions of lamps L1, L2, and L3" we should assume that S2, S3, and S4 are open, correct?

[robotman]

If they give you a circuit diagram with a bunch of different switches (let's say S1, S2, S3, and S4) and light bulbs (let's say L1, L2, and L3), and they say "If switch S1 is closed, what are the conditions of lamps L1, L2, and L3" we should assume that S2, S3, and S4 are open, correct?

I would suggest asking the proctor what they mean by that just so that there is no chance to lose points

[blue cobra]

I did at Regionals, but they said they couldn't tell me.

[robotman]

if they wouldn't tell you than yea assume that everything else is open
it was a group of parallel correct?

[blue cobra]

Ok that's what I was thinking. Thanks.

For Regionals imagine a parallel circuit with 3 branches. One switch was in series, so it controlled the whole thing. Then there was a switch on each branch. As well, the last branch was further broken into two branches in parallel, with one lamp on each. The switch on this branch was positioned such that it controlled both lamps. So for Regionals there were 4 lamps and 4 switches.

Also, has anyone actually seen Kirchoff's Laws and combo circuits on a test? This event just seems way too simple. It's got me paranoid

[fleet130]

they say "If switch S1 is closed, what are the conditions of lamps L1, L2, and L3" we should assume that S2, S3, and S4 are open, correct?

You should assume each switch is as drawn in the diagram(except for those where they state the condition in the problem). If a switch is drawn closed, you should assume it is closed, If it's drawn open, assume it's open.

[Avis_de-Incendia]

Ok that's what I was thinking. Thanks.

For Regionals imagine a parallel circuit with 3 branches. One switch was in series, so it controlled the whole thing. Then there was a switch on each branch. As well, the last branch was further broken into two branches in parallel, with one lamp on each. The switch on this branch was positioned such that it controlled both lamps. So for Regionals there were 4 lamps and 4 switches.

Also, has anyone actually seen Kirchoff's Laws and combo circuits on a test? This event just seems way too simple. It's got me paranoid

I've seen "theoretical" combination circuits, where they ask you what the combined resistance would be if you combined a parallel circuit with one resistance and a series circuit with two resistance.

But that was like, the bonus.

[andrewwski]

I'd imagine combined series/parallel circuits are quite common...but maybe they're grossly simplifying the event...

[blue cobra]

Could someone please explain the wye and delta arrangements? They seem common on old Circuit Lab tests. Even if they are not those specific arrangements, I'm very insure of how to go about solving for things like that. A fine example would be in Section 2 of this test, the answer key for which can be found here. I have no idea how they got those answers. I'm also very unsure about questions about voltages between terminals. Any help in these areas would be appreciated.

And there aren't going to be capacitors in this event, are there?

[tclme elmo]

I'm new to Shock Value, and only know VERY VERY basics. But how much about magnetism do we need to know?

[SpaceJunkie]

Blue Cobra: no capacitors in the event, in a rules clarification sent to me by email (is not part of basic DC circuit theory).

tclme elmo : Basically stuff like magnetic field directions, for electromagnets and ferromagnets, electromagnet design, magnetic materials, and devices that use magnetism (like compass and other stuff). At our state competition, they asked us what it would make if a wire was wrapped around a compass (galvanometer).

A very common question is about stuff like which way will a compass needle deflect if a wire is placed near it, which way is the magnetic field if the wire wire is placed in a direction, etc. Something you should ask at each tournament is what current refers to, conventional current or electron flow? They travel in opposite directions, and since a current-induced magnetic field rotates clockwise when the current is moving away, they can mess up your score.

Add. Info: a compass needle placed near a wire will stay perpendicularly to the wire, with the north end pointing to the direction of the rotation (of the magnetic field). I recommend http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14e/mfwire.htm to visualise this.

[andrewwski]

Could someone please explain the wye and delta arrangements? They seem common on old Circuit Lab tests. Even if they are not those specific arrangements, I'm very insure of how to go about solving for things like that. A fine example would be in Section 2 of this test, the answer key for which can be found here. I have no idea how they got those answers. I'm also very unsure about questions about voltages between terminals. Any help in these areas would be appreciated.

And there aren't going to be capacitors in this event, are there?

Wye and Delta generally refer to a three-terminal connection of resistors. In the Wye arrangement, you have three resistors that tie together at a central point. The path between any two terminals takes you through two resistors in series.



The Delta arrangement has resistors directly between adjacent terminals. Now you want to think about the paths between the two terminals you are testing. There are two paths in parallel - one that takes you through the resistor between the two, and one that takes you through the other two resistors in series. Thus, apply the series and parallel methods of calculating your resistance to get your result.



This is a pretty good explanation of the different configurations.
http://www.play-hookey.com/dc_theory/delta_wye.html

You can apply this to problems like those in the test you linked. For example, let's look at Section 2, Problem 1. What are the paths from A to B? There is the simple direct path through R1, at a resistance of 5k. Then there is the path from B to C and then C to A and C to D to A (the Delta configuration). So let's break that down.

What is the resistance between points C and A? This is the delta configuration, we further break it down and ask what the paths for current are. We get through R5 (25k) and the series of R2 and R3 (15k + 20k = 35k). So the resistance between C and A is the parallel resistance of 25k and 35k = (25k*35k)/(25k+35k) = 14.58k.

Now we want the resistance between B and A through the "long" path. That's simple - it's a series of R4 plus the delta arrangement, which we found to be 14.58k. So it equals 10k + 14.58k = 24.58k.

Now we've established the resistances of our two parallel paths from A to B. They are 5k, through R1, and 24.58k, going the other way. The parallel resistance then is (5*24.58)/(5+24.58) = 4.15k, which checks out with the answer key.

You would use the same method to calculate the resistance across AD, BC, and CD. AC would be a tad different - but the same principles still apply.

You have not two, but three paths for the current between AC - directly across R5, and through the two other branches, R1+R4 and R2+R3. So let's find the resistance of those branches, which is done by simply adding the resistors as they are in series. R2+R3 = 15k + 20k = 35k and R1+R4 = 5k+10k = 15k. Now we have three resistances in parallel - 25k (R5), 35k, and 15k. The parallel resistance is 1/(1/25+1/35+1/15) = 7.39k, also consistent with the answer key.

For questions 5 and 6, if R2 is shorted, just assume it's not there. Calculate BC as earlier but don't add R2 to R3, as it's shorted - R3 will be the only resistance through that "branch". If R1 is open, no current will flow across it, so the R1-R4 branch will not be part of the circuit - thus just calculate the Delta of C-D and C-A-D.

To calculate voltages, apply Ohm's and Kirchoff's Laws. You have resistance. Know that for each parallel branch, voltage is constant (thus the total voltage flows down each branch). In series, you know that current is constant, so calculate current for the total resistance of that branch (add the series resistors together). That current is the current through each resistor in series in the branch. Once you get resistance and current in a resistor, you can apply Ohm's Law and solve for voltage.

[blue cobra]

A bit late, but thanks very much for that, andrewwski!

What are the most difficult concepts people have seen on their state tests?

EDIT: Not needed. My state test was the easiest test I have ever seen. I'm actually a little disappointed. I think you only had to know Ohm's law, the symbol of a battery, and some very basic motor/magnetism stuff.

[ichaelm]

Did anyone else here take the nationals test? I thought it was super easy, but we got 14th so idk. We checked it over 3 times each and wrote a one-page essay for the tiebreaker! There was nothing on there I was unsure about though. Can't wait to get the packet and see what I messed up on!