Tips for my tower please

Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:08 pm

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As I said it supported 13.8 kg and weighed 29.5g. So, what I am focusing on is reducing weight because it held a decent amount


Was the tower tested at a tournament using a standard testing platform (with a 20 cm x 20 cm opening)? Or, did you test it using a platform with a smaller opening?

My concern with the tower is its supports. Where were the points of contact between the tower and the platform you tested it on? Just the four outer corners of the square base?


Yes, so what I am considering doing is making the base instead 2 21 cm x 4.5 cm rectangles connected in the xenter to make my frid. Thus it would have more support than just the corners. My concern is if it yould be to heavy. What do you think?
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby SLM on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:32 pm

yousef213 wrote:... Thus it would have more support than just the corners. My concern is if it yould be to heavy. What do you think?

The primary problem with the tower is its supports. To see why, let’s separate the vertical part (core) of the tower from the square base, and examine the base more closely. The applied load transfers to the base through the core as shown below.

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So, if I draw a diagram of the base only, it is going to look something like this:

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Here, the blue lines represent the existing members, the red arrows represent the forces that are applied to the base from the core, and the green triangles represent the supports (points of contact between the base and the testing platform ). The problem here is that there are no vertical (or close-to-vertical) members carrying the red forces to the green supports. The base consists entirely of horizontal members. Given the small size (3/32 x 3/32) of these members, they would have a very difficult time withstanding the loads and effectively transferring them to the support points.

Here is a suggestion for remedying the problem.

1. Have inclined members directly transferring the load from the core to the supports, as shown below.
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2. Brace the inclined members to prevent instability (buckling), as shown below.
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3. Eliminate most of the members in the lower part of the tower, except for the horizontal bracings at the base, as shown below.
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The revised design should result in a stronger, and probably lighter tower.
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:53 pm

I dont think I follow with step #3. Are you suggesting I remove the core there completely or just stop bracing it under a certain point?

Btw thankyou for your other tips & diagram
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby soccerkid812 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:55 pm

hes saying only keep the top 3 parts on the horizontal chimney and the red legs that he drew in.
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby SLM on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:58 pm

soccerkid812 wrote:hes saying only keep the top 3 parts on the horizontal chimney and the red legs that he drew in.


Exactly!

You can remove the lower part of the core completely without adversely affecting the ability of the tower to carry the load. The lower part of the core carries very little load and really has no functional use.
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:06 pm

okay, thank you guys!
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby eta150 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:43 pm

The base should just be an open square. The base bracing is only making it heavier and more complicated. Plus having the force directed straight down on it is making it weaker.

Like this (the one with legs), plus a chimney:
http://gallery.scioly.org/details.php?image_id=1822
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:34 pm

eta150 wrote:The base should just be an open square. The base bracing is only making it heavier and more complicated. Plus having the force directed straight down on it is making it weaker.

Like this (the one with legs), plus a chimney:
http://gallery.scioly.org/details.php?image_id=1822


I understand how it could make it heavier, but how could it make it weaker?
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby soccerkid812 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:42 pm

when you tested it, where did the tower exactly break?
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:10 pm

soccerkid812 wrote:when you tested it, where did the tower exactly break?


one of the diagonals (base to core) fell off on the tower leaned in that direction and broke
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby eta150 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:03 pm

yousef213 wrote:
eta150 wrote:The base should just be an open square. The base bracing is only making it heavier and more complicated. Plus having the force directed straight down on it is making it weaker.

Like this (the one with legs), plus a chimney:
http://gallery.scioly.org/details.php?image_id=1822


I understand how it could make it heavier, but how could it make it weaker?

The way you have it set up, the force is being pushed onto a relatively unsupported component of the tower. On a more tradition open bottom design, the force is distributed onto the testing surface.
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby yousef213 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:17 pm

oh, Okay.
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Re: Tips for my tower please

Postby deezee on Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:04 pm

it depends on how you make the tower. the four legs can be aligned with the sides of the opening, so you have four sides touching the base, or you can place the tower diagonally so the corners of the tower is along the sides.
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