Trajectory B/C

Trajectory B/C

Postby Jim_R on Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:34 pm

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How much time did you spend on this event last year? We wound up working on it almost every day for 2 months before regionals and a bit less for states.
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Re: Trajectory

Postby starpug on Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:58 pm

3 hours on weekends and 2 1/2 hours almost everyday in the 2 months before states (in May)
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Re: Trajectory

Postby fleet130 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:04 am

Information expressed here is solely the opinion of the author. Any similarity to that of the management or any official instrument is purely coincidental! Doing Science Olympiad since 1987!
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Trajectory C

Postby rocketman1555 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:53 pm

i'm thinking about doing trajectory next year? does anyone from Div B have any ideas about how the device should work, like a catapult or slingshot, or any tips on how to build one
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby starpug on Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:03 pm

Well I personally am still milling over this but a thing to take into account is that rubber expands when heated so although rubber tubing sounds like a good idea it has it's drawbacks if left out in the sun.
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby rocketman1555 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:06 pm

which stinks here, because its always hot, i was thinking about asking the div b team in my area for their design, and then tweaking it to make it better
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby starpug on Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:52 pm

Well here's what the key is consistency the top 5 teams at nationals this year hit both pins but the top team hit both pins twice in the same spot. Number 2 you might like a device to help you aim. Number 3 the more options the better. That's all for now.
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby Pleiades on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:34 pm

My teams trajectory design was basically two pieces of wood with rubber tubing between them. It worked quite well.
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby rocketman1555 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:40 pm

so it was similar to one of those things u would set up to throw water balloons out of, kinda like a slingshot
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby Pleiades on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:47 pm

Yes, exactly like a slingshot, only bigger.

EDIT/ I believe I have a picture of the trajectory team using the catapult at states in my coaches classroom. I'll get it tomorrow and post the picture.
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Re: Trajectory

Postby starpug on Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:42 pm

I am working on expanding the Trajectory Wiki so that it's more helpful then the one we had last year. :ugeek:
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Re: Trajectory

Postby starpug on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:28 am

Trajectory Wiki
Ok I've expanded the Trajectory Wiki. :geek: :ugeek: It is now something that you C people should look I think it will be a good way to help you get started.
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby haven chuck on Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:55 pm

If you are using more than one bungee cord, and don't use them all in every launch, make sure you rotate them out so that no one bungee is stretched more than the others and also, right before the competition, check your measurements to make sure that the bungees (after being used for a lot of launches) aren't stretched enough to change your launch much.
P.S. When i say "stretched" i mean longer or easier to pull than they were at one point.
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby zorbak5044 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:23 am

rocketman1555 wrote:i'm thinking about doing trajectory next year? does anyone from Div B have any ideas about how the device should work, like a catapult or slingshot, or any tips on how to build one

i didnt do it but my freind did it and got 2nd. she had a bazzoka like thing
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Re: Trajectory C

Postby captbilly on Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:15 pm

Think about how high your projectile will go. Two years ago the best trebuchet at Nationals ended up hitting the ceiling on 2 out of three shots. If trajectory is done indoors where you live you will need to keep the firing angle relatively low so you don't hit a ceiling. Consistancy is obviously the key, it doesn't make any difference at all in trajectory how for your projectile can go, only that it will go exactly as far as you intend. To get enough data points to be competitive at Nationals you will need to fire the thing over a thousand times. As someone said earlier in this thread, the winning trajectory device last year hit the nail at the center of the target on three out of the four shots. Keep in mind that the judges will probably say the ball hit the target at the center of the crater left in the sand, even though the crater doesn't form directly under the impact point (due to the angle of impact). You need to measure your impact point the same way the judges will (to the center of the crater in sand).

You also need to plan for the elevation of the target not being exactly what the judge (or the rulesbook) says it is. At our regional and state competition the targets were set up outdoors on somewhat uneven terrain. The event coordinator measured the height of the target from the grass under the target, not the elevation relative to the launch site. We had to do some quick and rough calculations of the actual height of the target vs. the launcher to get an accurate first shot. At states the event coordinator used an elevated tagret height that was not an interval of 10cm as per the rules, so we had no chart that we could use. So be prepared with a plan of how to deal with inaccurate target heights and distances as well as wind. I believe that this year you can only use a ping pong ball, tennis ball, hacky sack or racket ball (rules aren't final of course) so make sure you account for aerodynamics in your charts.

Of course most of these suggestions won't matter if you have a device that has a CEP (circular error probability) of half a meter. There is little reason to have charts with data points every 10 centimeters if your device can't consistantly send the ball into a 10cm circle. Even at Nationals, many of the trajectory devices had impact point spreads of 20+cm. Remember that the tie breaker is the distance between the first and second shots at the same target so even if you somehow manage to get one good shot at each target you could still lose to a team with a more consistant device.
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